tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3304405110845468577.post3422145882050363957..comments2023-10-11T08:24:00.580-04:00Comments on Eye for an Eye: The Perfect RaidShwitz44http://www.blogger.com/profile/12859042711928927792noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3304405110845468577.post-3259000211473258142008-07-03T14:24:00.000-04:002008-07-03T14:24:00.000-04:00@larisaThanks for the link, I'mma browse through t...@larisa<BR/>Thanks for the link, I'mma browse through the arcane raiding compendium and see what's what in the arcanist's world.<BR/><BR/>@honors<BR/>/target Honorshammer<BR/>/bonkShwitz44https://www.blogger.com/profile/12859042711928927792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3304405110845468577.post-57421710923152020802008-07-03T12:57:00.000-04:002008-07-03T12:57:00.000-04:00"I'm working on it. DON'T JUDGE ME!"Don't worry, i..."I'm working on it. DON'T JUDGE ME!"<BR/><BR/>Don't worry, it's on cooldown.Honors Codehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10603644804340531952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3304405110845468577.post-63382876926764516912008-07-03T11:55:00.000-04:002008-07-03T11:55:00.000-04:00Honestly I'm not a great theorycrafter, but I can ...Honestly I'm not a great theorycrafter, but I can assure you there are great posts in the endless threads on EJ which speaks for arcane. Though I think you're right, it's about where in progression you are. For me being in T5, with 2 pieces T5 gear, arcane is great, especially for wading through trashmobs. But when I get into T6 (it remains to see if it will happen honestly...) I'll switch back to fire again, hoping that I won't face the same aggro problems that I used to. You know, I'm a dedicated fire mage after all... it's in my heart, believe me.<BR/>There are ways to deal with the mana issues for an arcane mage. There's a just excellent thread on EJ with any kind of information you need. The beginning is updated regulary, when the discussion leads to new conclusion. Any raiding arcane mage who needs some comfort after being excludet from your raid should read it. :)<BR/>http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t25772-mage_raiding_arcane_mage_post_2_4_a/Larísahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05769822260333419777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3304405110845468577.post-81774903567417618812008-07-03T11:19:00.000-04:002008-07-03T11:19:00.000-04:00Swapping out a Holy Paladin would require a new he...Swapping out a Holy Paladin would require a new healer to keep it at 8 - I all ready have 4 shaman and 4 priests in the raid, would you suggest bringing a 4th druid?<BR/><BR/>I originally had 3x holy paladin, 1x feral druid and 2x resto druid, and a 3rd warlock, but I felt like I'd have too few "tanks" for some encounters. The MS Warrior could throw on tank gear and off-tank something I suppose... but then I run into the issue of where to plop the warlock group-wise. Stick him in the Agility group where that 2nd feral was? Then he's getting Ferocious Inspiration and a Mana Spring, but still missing out on a Shadow Priest and assorted totems. Put him in the healer group? Then what do I do with the healer I bumped out?Shwitz44https://www.blogger.com/profile/12859042711928927792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3304405110845468577.post-66641125845061677292008-07-03T11:09:00.000-04:002008-07-03T11:09:00.000-04:00I think you have too many synergy classes, and not...I think you have too many synergy classes, and not enough raw DPS. You have 2 warlocks, 2 mages, 2 rogues, 2 hunters. Really, at least two of those classes should have an extra representative in the raid.<BR/><BR/>Also, four paladins is excessive. You only need three, and you don't need a Holy paladin with Imp Might. Use the "Salv/Imp Might, Salv/Imp Wisdom/Light, Kings" blessing pattern and have the Ret paladin provide Imp Might.Rohanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09090769681887119989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3304405110845468577.post-6447500891846729442008-07-03T10:51:00.000-04:002008-07-03T10:51:00.000-04:00Because I feel bad for making Larisa cry, here's w...Because I feel bad for making Larisa cry, here's why I went with 2 deep Fire Mages and not Arcane Mages:<BR/>http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t18441-mage_sweet_informational_thread/<BR/>"Arcane is more dependent on outside factors and still provides slightly less single-target dps than fire builds."<BR/>I'm not a Mage, I can't say if that's true or not, but I go with the informatin I have at hand.Shwitz44https://www.blogger.com/profile/12859042711928927792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3304405110845468577.post-62230415485514807312008-07-03T10:29:00.000-04:002008-07-03T10:29:00.000-04:00@larisaI don't have anything against Arcane Mages,...@larisa<BR/>I don't have anything against Arcane Mages, they've got their uses. I suppose I should have qualified, however, that I'm creating the groups with t6 gear in mind. Arcane is great with 2pc t5, but deep Fire is pretty impressive with 4pc t6. Plus, Molten Fury for Mage-xecuting the boss is great. Arcane tends to be a much larger mana input for a relatively even average output with fire. Why not take the same results for less effort expended?<BR/>This is not to berate your arcane spec, Larisa, this is my (probably misinformed) opinion on things. The player and the skill-level involved are always in play. I'd be happy to read why Arcane is superior to Fire in general if you have some info for me.<BR/><BR/>@2nd nin<BR/>The Prot Paladin would probably be in that group for certain bosses, I arranged them with an eye on Brutallus. If a Prot Paladin needs a Shadow Priest to keep topped off on that fight, he's got gear that I've never heard of. Obviously I can shift people around based upon needs and encounters, this was just a general setup for progression encounters. For fights where heavy threat is needed, some gratuitous shifting would happen - stick the Ret Paladin and a Resto Shaman dropping Windfury into the tank group in place to boost the Prot Paladin threat, and probably stick the Protection Warrior into the melee group in the Ret Paladin's stead. For content taht the Prot Paladin overgears, then I'd throw him into the healer group for the Shadow Priest. It's flexible.Shwitz44https://www.blogger.com/profile/12859042711928927792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3304405110845468577.post-20719294318850869202008-07-03T09:58:00.000-04:002008-07-03T09:58:00.000-04:00To be honest I would try and put your prot pally i...To be honest I would try and put your prot pally into the healer group there, likely bumping the ds priest. Shaman (drop spell damage totem if he can ftw), and shadow priest means that tank will never have mana issues, and that makes him a threat bastion. You lose the healing from the druid and the health benefits (1.9k health roughly between the warrior's shout and the warlock), but you could equally put a Shaman / SP / Lock / Pally / Warrior group together and the only person who suffers in the group is the warrior.<BR/><BR/>Paladin tanks dislike melee groups as we are caster types, yet we always get stuck in that group. The EH of 1.9kish is not terribly important except on a few fight and is primarily important if it makes you go past an EH level (another integer of hits taken from the boss). The threat penalty on many bosses (Naj'entus put me oom without a shadow priest :( ) can be high with a good string of hits, I can push 60% avoidance at starting BT level so its worth considering the trade off of health vs mana (and its often better to let the warrior dps than the paladin heal as OTs). <BR/><BR/>Anyway, just my thoughts, but I am biased since I want em all :P Mwhahahahahahahahaha... :PChrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18415648946567949701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3304405110845468577.post-84733418153991625212008-07-03T09:44:00.000-04:002008-07-03T09:44:00.000-04:00Cry! You don't want me in your raid!What have you ...Cry! You don't want me in your raid!<BR/><BR/>What have you against arcane mages if I may ask?<BR/><BR/>OK two fire mages can support each other with scorching, that's a great thing... But seriously fire mages aren't ALWAYS the best choice in a raid. It depends on gear and such.<BR/><BR/>I guess there are some frost mages out there who would also like to have a word with you, Mr ElististJerk in disguise.. :)<BR/><BR/>Actually the issue is often brought up in some of the EJ mage threads. And I can say that there are quite trustworthy spokesmen for arcane as well as frost and fire. It all depends on the situation and the encounter ofc.Larísahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05769822260333419777noreply@blogger.com